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that's what the law says. that's what's happening with the faa, with the tsa, with every other alphabet soup agency in government. >> so howard, how badly are people feeling these cuts? there was an atlantic headline yesterday that caught my eye. it said, airports holding up under the crushing weight sequestration. my friend was on a plane yesterday and he said the pilot got on the radio and told the passengers, if the service was bad, blame republicans for the furloughs. now, republicans are blaming obama. there was a hash tag they were trying to get trending, obama flight delays yesterday. i don't know if that worked. >> catchy. >> what effect is all of this, this blame game stuff. what is that going to have on budget politics? >> i think the easy answer, but i think the correct one is that it is a pox on both the houses and the presidency. the fact is people don't distinguish that much for the most part if they're fair-minded. it is true the president suggested using the sequester tool as part of the negoti
that's what the law says. that's what's happening with the faa, with the tsa, with every other alphabet soup agency in government. >> so howard, how badly are people feeling these cuts? there was an atlantic headline yesterday that caught my eye. it said, airports holding up under the crushing weight sequestration. my friend was on a plane yesterday and he said the pilot got on the radio and told the passengers, if the service was bad, blame republicans for the furloughs. now, republicans...
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that's up of the most powerful federal laws. if two or more people conspire to commit a crime against the united states. that can add in additional co-conspirat co-conspirators. if he was talking to somebody on the phone, like al qaeda always use handlers like that, we're about to drop it, there could be other conspirators. it could have been a foreign call. it could be a fake call. two conspirators. federal speconspiracy charges. there could be accomplices helping afterward and before. maybe they surveilled this before. preincident indicators. maybe they come out and walk the route. so this is a whole lot of developments for agents and police that are going to help them crack this case and get to the bottom of this and the main thing, you know, like the ceo of netscape said the main thing is trying to keep the main thing the main thing. the main thing is no more bombs. >> what you know about this bomb, jim, is it possible that this could have been put together on site? that it didn't have to be carried on an airport? that the t
that's up of the most powerful federal laws. if two or more people conspire to commit a crime against the united states. that can add in additional co-conspirat co-conspirators. if he was talking to somebody on the phone, like al qaeda always use handlers like that, we're about to drop it, there could be other conspirators. it could have been a foreign call. it could be a fake call. two conspirators. federal speconspiracy charges. there could be accomplices helping afterward and before. maybe...
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law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that was quite an amazing thing from his perspective about u ultimately knowing what that gets you. >> the existence of that data, the existence of the data in the public sphere, the data being sent to police and the way in which the kind of crowd sourcing amateur investigation was intersecting with, sometimes derailing the official investigation, the way that things that were spotted on an internet thread would end up in an official's e-mail which would then end up back reported out. >> we have lessons about how this might look going
law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that...
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that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old. his family was seeking asylum. he didn't come here as some sort of radical -- he was 8 years old. >> he was on the wrestling team. >> wrestling team. right. you just interviewed his classmates. what a great interview. this guy was later radicalized and his brother probably played a key role in doing it and some on the internet and maybe some other influences, both here and abroad. and i think that the terrorism analysts, the experts on that, like roger cressey, those kind of guys will be digging in that so deep, they will
that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old....
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law, united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> joining me now, roger cressey, terrorism analyst. roger, want you to listen to something the boston police chief said yesterday on cbs, listen do what ed davis said. >> we have reason to believe based upon the evidence found at that scene, the explosions, the explosive ordinance that was unexploded and fire power that they had that they were going to attack other individuals. >> and roger, just to read from the complaint filed in federal court today specifically what they have in there, two unexploded ieds as well as remnants of numerous exploded ieds, also found in the search of the current suspect's, younger brother's room, they found bee-bees, the pressure cooker, low grade, also find in the search of the abandoned car, intact low grade explosive devices discovered. what do you make of those discoveries in relation to what commissioner davis s
law, united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> joining me now, roger cressey, terrorism analyst. roger, want you to listen to something the boston police chief said yesterday on cbs, listen do what ed davis said. >> we have reason to believe based upon the evidence found at that scene, the explosions, the explosive...
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got in the way of catching the terrorists and those stories will call for new laws. we need to be very clear what we want from law enforcement and what we want them to do when confronted with a situation like what they apparently confronted with the older tsarnaev brother. let's bring in carol rose executive director of the aclu of massachusetts. carol, i want your response to this story that is emerging that this was the fbi dropping the ball. >> right. i mean, first we don't have all the information about exactly what happened. so we're all speaking from news reports and not from actual knowledge. >> do it every night. >> with that noted, you have to wonder, i'm sure congress will try to find out, what happened? the fbi clearly wasn't lacking the authority. they had the authority presumably to interview this guy but they apparently didn't have the ability or willing necessary or whatever to do the followup. one has to go back to the question about some of these theories that are now discredited about radicalization. is it possible that this guy didn't fit the profi
got in the way of catching the terrorists and those stories will call for new laws. we need to be very clear what we want from law enforcement and what we want them to do when confronted with a situation like what they apparently confronted with the older tsarnaev brother. let's bring in carol rose executive director of the aclu of massachusetts. carol, i want your response to this story that is emerging that this was the fbi dropping the ball. >> right. i mean, first we don't have all...
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we did hear today that somebody else had their home searched today by law enforcement authorities. can you tell us about that? >> his name is j. everett dutchke a former aspiring politician. he is also a dojo master. he once had a band as well. he is also outspoken online very much like kevin curtis. some of the parallels, some of the things similar about these two are a little funny if it wasn't such a serious situation as you were talking about the parallels are weird. they seem to have been involved in some sort of online feud, the two of them. they both claim to be members of mensa, both claim to be esteemed martial artists. is there a reason to believe these guys would do anything together? >> not from anything that i have seen. it appears their relationship was nothing but contentious. >> this is such a strange story i can hardly believe it. we're left with this very serious bottom line which is these weren't just threats about ricin. there really was deadly poison sent to the white house to a u.s. senator and to a mississippi judge. just in terms of your reporting on this ha
we did hear today that somebody else had their home searched today by law enforcement authorities. can you tell us about that? >> his name is j. everett dutchke a former aspiring politician. he is also a dojo master. he once had a band as well. he is also outspoken online very much like kevin curtis. some of the parallels, some of the things similar about these two are a little funny if it wasn't such a serious situation as you were talking about the parallels are weird. they seem to have...
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but as you said, we have disp r disparate state laws. each state makes its own laws. >> michael, just the probabilities involved. based on everything you've seen, the devices they've used s, the story that we learned how to do this on the internet. we were kind of inspired by some of these web sites we've gone to with extremist, islamic clerics who are on them and that stuff. is there anything you've heard developed from the suspect where you say, oh, no, that doesn't sound possible? >> this is actually a fairly typical story of home-grown extremists, in my experience. we've had a history of home-grown extremists in the united states having pretty extensive ties here in the united states. of course, the ft. hood shooter, nadal hassan. the basic profile of these two is not really inconsistent with what we've seen. and to your point about the internet, almost every home-grown al qaeda-inspired extremist that we've seen in the united states over the past five to six years has really been affected quite significantly by english-speaking extr
but as you said, we have disp r disparate state laws. each state makes its own laws. >> michael, just the probabilities involved. based on everything you've seen, the devices they've used s, the story that we learned how to do this on the internet. we were kind of inspired by some of these web sites we've gone to with extremist, islamic clerics who are on them and that stuff. is there anything you've heard developed from the suspect where you say, oh, no, that doesn't sound possible?...
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and how do law enforcement and good interrogators pull those threats? joining us now is ali sufan, a former fbi special agent who proved the first link between al qaeda and 9/11 after the first attacks. the book he wrote about his experience in the fbi is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda clothe. great to have you here. >> it's great to be here again. thank you. >> when you heard the transcript of what happened at the bedside of the suspected bomber in boston today with him being read his rights, being advised he has the right to remain silent, as a former high level fbi interrogator, how does that sound to you? >> it sounds great. that's exactly how we should deal with these individuals. there is nothing special about them. they committed a crime, and they need to be punished for that crime. and this system, our federal system is one of the best systems in dealing with al qaeda, in dealing with terrorism. i'll give you an example. since 9/11 until today, we had probably about more than 165, 170 cases of te
and how do law enforcement and good interrogators pull those threats? joining us now is ali sufan, a former fbi special agent who proved the first link between al qaeda and 9/11 after the first attacks. the book he wrote about his experience in the fbi is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda clothe. great to have you here. >> it's great to be here again. thank you. >> when you heard the transcript of what happened at the bedside of...
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to be the freest country in the world is to abide by the laws that preserve those freedoms. especially when they are tested. to be a truly equal society. will require much of americans in the coming days and weeks to not bend to the paranoia and fear that make us into them. and as a nation that aims to foster freedom and equality around the around, we should acknowledge that while we mourn the innocent victims of the boston attacks, so, too, should we mourn the individuals in other corners of the world, for whom collateral damage is a way of life. in iraq today, over 30 were killed and a dozen injured. a reminder of the incessant violence that has plagued that country ever since the departure of the last u.s. troops in syria this week, brings talk of a new massacre, killing at least 350, the latest casualties of a conflict in which the number of dead is now rounded up to the nearest thousand. if boston has given america anything, it is a renewed sense of purpose and a chance to strengthen the things that have made us the weakest. dzhokhar tsarnaev will be afforded a civilian
to be the freest country in the world is to abide by the laws that preserve those freedoms. especially when they are tested. to be a truly equal society. will require much of americans in the coming days and weeks to not bend to the paranoia and fear that make us into them. and as a nation that aims to foster freedom and equality around the around, we should acknowledge that while we mourn the innocent victims of the boston attacks, so, too, should we mourn the individuals in other corners of...
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you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up. >> when you look at their psychology, you talked just now about the distinction between individuals prepared to lay bombs then ratcheting that up to actually strapping a vest on with an explosive. what about the distinction between a willingness to kill ordinary members of the public then actually murder police officers? because we know that a police officer at m.i.t. was murdered last night and they shot at another and he's currently in hospital. >> right. last night they were just in such a mode of escape and mission and suicide that who knows what they were going to do. they didn't even know what they were
you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up....
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law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. this is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go. and when it comes to united states citizens, it is against the law to try them in military commissions. >> and it matters that the white house is treating the idea of holding an american citizen outside of the american legal system as what it is, which is crazy and unacceptable. and it matters that appears to be where americans stand on the issue too. when asked just last week in the midst of the aftermath of the boston bombing, with the images and videos of the horror there, the top of everyone's mind, which worries you more, the government will not go far enough to investigate terrorism because of concerns about constitutional rights, or that it will go too far in compromising constitutional rights in order to investigate terrorism. more people answered they are more worried about the government going too far. today is the first day of a big, important test for us as a country. a test of whether we will as a socie
law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. this is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go. and when it comes to united states citizens, it is against the law to try them in military commissions. >> and it matters that the white house is treating the idea of holding an american citizen outside of the american legal system as what it is, which is crazy and unacceptable. and it matters that appears to be where americans stand on the issue too....
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there's a law called the national defense act of 2012 that says specifically u.s. citizens cannot be tried in military tribunals. they're arguing he should be questioned as an enemy combatant and then turned over to the civilian justice system. i don't think this will change their view. and, of course, what the fbi says is this is what he has told them. but they have to now verify this. and of course, they are working to do that. >> all right. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. once again, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> and eugene robinson, thank you, as well. we'll be reading your column in the "washington post." >> and let me ask you quickly. are you surprised your home state of south carolina won on this background check issue is an 86/12 proposition? >> i am not surprised. i am floored. i know that district. and look at it on the map. i mean, if it's 86/12 in that district, then this ought to be over. and politicians ought to take a look at that because that's a very, very conservative swath of the state. and there you have the numbers. it's incredib
there's a law called the national defense act of 2012 that says specifically u.s. citizens cannot be tried in military tribunals. they're arguing he should be questioned as an enemy combatant and then turned over to the civilian justice system. i don't think this will change their view. and, of course, what the fbi says is this is what he has told them. but they have to now verify this. and of course, they are working to do that. >> all right. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. once...
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so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great britain and study. you now have seen the paradigm shift that people have been seeinging coming for 30 years now. you started it in china. why in china instead of boston or los angeles? >> i think the economic center of the world is clearly moving to asia. you have the second largest country in the world, china, the third largest, japan. and you can see that the trend is somewhat inexorable. one of the reasons for this in terms of doing a major program is that if china continues growing at double or triple the rate of the western countries and creating 10 million jobs a year, whereas, there is virtually n
so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great...
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also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob casey, thank you very much for being on the show today. >> thank you. >>> tomorrow on "morning joe" -- >> i love, mika, the daily news covered it. you flashed. >> yeah. >> and the one last week. right after the lost vote. >> no. i mean, it's just -- absolutely, after the lost vote. >> talking about the cowards on the hill. >> mm-hmm. tomorrow on "morning joe" google executive chairman eric schmidt joins us here onset. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] purpose elevates what we do. raises it to a more meaningful place. makes us live what we do, love what we do and fills o
also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob...